Problems & Politics Part II
Re: HISTORY OF MDK ACCORDING TO CHUNG DO KWAN
Posted ByD.Segarra on April 09, 1999 at 00:50:08:
Dear Glenn,I agree, and in no way did I intend to create disharmony between practitioners of both styles. My apologies if you interpreted it that way. As I stated before "There are many fine Chung Do Kwon practitioners" and "Chung Do Kwon is a fine art" I would not call that attacking. What I did do was shed some light on the exploits of "General" Choi Hong Hi. If you were privy to some of the history I know I think you would agree his actions were reprehensible, illegal and immoral.
And there were more than one of "his" group that created many problems in their failed efforts to destroy the Moo Duk Kwan.
General Choi's illegal and immoral actions does not reflect on Chung Do Kwan as a style, nor does it reflect on its many fine practitioners. No more than a bad Moo Duk Kwan stylist reflects on me. I don't like it and I imagine you don't either. But the fact is General Choi and his group (which sadly were "honarary" Chung Do Kwon practitioners) tried to destroy the Moo Duk Kwan. I know facts and names, I won't get into it point by point, out of respect to you and your style.
But regardless of whether Mr. Hancock forwards you post without your permission or he points people to it, you put it up for public consumption and are thereby responsible for it. You may have been told by honorable people what they believe to be true, the bottom line is I have seen and have photos with the top Chung Do Kwan practitioners visiting major MDK testings and events. Top instructors and leaders of a Kwan don't visit a green belt run (Juniors) testing, and (some)trained under him.
To put that kind of information out seemed to me an attempt to belittle a great man after fifty years. It's like me talking about your founder passing on rumor, hearsay, and stating he left as a beginner. When we both know he trained in China for years adn was definitly NOT a beginer. How would you like someone to throw that out there? Or would you believe a Moo Duk Kwan version of Chung Do Kwans history instead of what you have been told and have seen evidence of?
Put yourself in our place, although Mr. Hancock has a talent for stirring up things you provided the information. So I don't think your in a position to blame him. I hope we both can learn from this and realize the power and speed of information on the Internet. As Mark Twain once said "A rumor can get halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on" and that was before the Internet.
I wish you well in your training, no hard feelings I hope. And I thank you for your efforts and response.
Thanks
D.Segarra
Posted ByPam on April 21, 1999 at 02:04:16:
I don't think it's a matter of backing Master Ah po. Master Segarra was first to lead the charge about the federations mis-managment, then Master Klien and now Master Ah Po. It is important to see someone with Master Ah Po's qualifications stand up as Masters Segarra and Klien did also. Maybe more people will listen. As for the video I think it's sad but it's also a personal thing between he and the T.A.C that we may not have both sides too. But MANY people agree with what Master Ah Po states concerning the mis-management of the orginization. If you have read some of the eariler messages you might have noticed a few. Some anonymous some not. I think Master Ah Po's statement may carry the most weight though due to his former position as well as being a charter member. Lets not forget the other brave souls that cried out earlier too.
Re: Twinkies and tigers.
Posted ByJohn Hancock on May 31, 1999 at 01:55:46:
Well....that certainly was a mouthful! Like I said before...I don't know anything about Mr. Hong....except rumours. Hell...I'm still trying to find out what the Hwang family tree looks like and how many leaves are on the branches. I've heard rumours for years that Hwang Kee had a son-in-law (and that let me deduce GM Hwang had a daughter.), but I never learned much about him. Sounds like there is some real history there....and being the snoop that I am....anyone that wants to send me e-mail about this......I'm all ears. I'll tell you one thing that IS curious to me......DID YOU GUYS EVER GET ANYWHERE ON THIS FINANCIAL REPORT ISSUE??? Yeah, yeah...I know I said I wasn't going to be around for awhile....but this latest issue about Mr. Hong sort of caught my eye. Look...by now you should know....I'm like bad penny......I just keep turning up. LOL.
Posted ByTOWN CRYER on May 31, 1999 at 14:54:45:
ATTENTION ALL MEMBERS OF U.S. SOO BAHK DO MOO DUK
KWAN FEDERATION!!! Your
posts to this site are being deleted and
censored!! You paid your dues and
were promised your voice would be
heard. Yet, Mr. Messersmith and Mr. H.C.
Hwang do not want you to
speak unless they have pre-approved what you will
say. You paid your
dues. You were promised a voice in the Federation. Many
high ranking
Masters have left because of Mr. Messersmith and Mr. H.C.
Hwang.
Grandmaster Hwang Kee is not being told what is happening. Mr.
Hong,
the Grandmaster's son-in-law left the Federation with 10 schools.
Today
he has none. Now he is coming back to the Federation. DON'T
YOU
WONDER WHY??? Master Ferraro left because he was denied access
to
information. Master Kim Chun Sik took control of a Federation
election and
strong armed his seat...then within months left to form his
own Federation
because HE couldn't get along with H.C. Hwang. Master
Shin Jae Chul left
because he was passed over for leadership in favor of
H.C. Hwang. Master Kim
Jae Joon left because HE was passed over for
leadership in favor of H.C.
Hwang. Master Andy Ahpo left recently
because he was disgusted with the
management of the Federation and
the fact HE DID NOT BELIEVE H.C. Hwang was
actually
communicating his messages to his father the
Grandmaster...and
because HE was denied a seat during an election due to
Master Kim's
manipulation of the election. Master H.C. Hwang was sent here
from
Greece when the Federation was formed. WHY? BECAUSE YOUR
AMERICAN
DOLLARS WOULD INSURE HIM A FAT LIFE! He
never earned the position. He was not
invited to come here and take
over the operation. YOU NEVER HAVE HAD A VOICE.
THE
FEDERATION HAS MANIPULATED AND LIED TO YOU SINCE
THE BEGINNING. Mr.
Messersmith is a puppet. He has no real power.
He is being manipulated so as
to take attention away from the real
purpose. NO AMERICAN WILL EVER LEAD THE
FEDERATION
UNLESS THERE IS A HWANG FAMILY MEMBER BEHIND HIM
TELLING HIM
WHAT HE CAN AND CANNOT DO! This is the facts.
The Federation does not want
you to know this. WHY? Because you
might stop paying your dues. Because you
will no longer register your
schools with them. Because you will no longer
send in your exam fees.
MONEY! IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT MONEY. IT NEVER
WAS
ABOUT TANG SOO DO/SOO BAHK DO nor the lofty ideas from the
MOO DUK
KWAN CREEDS. THIS MESSAGE WILL NOT BE UP
LONG AS IT WILL BE DELETED BY THE
FEDERATION
HEADQUARTERS. THEY DO NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW THE
TRUTH ABOUT YOUR
FEDERATION. THEY WILL NEVER GIVE
YOU A DISCLOSURE OF THEIR FINANCIAL
STATEMENT.
THROW THE BUMS OUT OF YOUR COUNTRY. SEND THEM
PACKING. THEY
ONLY WANT YOUR MONEY ANYWAY. THEY
ARE VERY SUBTLE ABOUT IT AND THEY WILL
CONSTANTLY
TELL YOU ABOUT IT IS ONLY FOR THE LOVE OF THE ART.
THAT IS A
LIE. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT THE MONEY.
AMERICANS...YOU ARE GROWN UP NOW.
THROW THE BUMS
OUT. YOUR MASTERS ALREADY KNOW EVERYTHING THERE
IS TO KNOW.
THE ONLY THING THE HWANGS CAN TEACH YOU
IS DEEP ROOTED PREJUDICE. THERE IS NO
MORE SECRET
INNER MATERIAL TO BE LEARNED. ANYTHING YOU CAN BE
TAUGHT NOW
IS BEING MADE UP AS THEY GO ALONG. YOUR
CHIL SUNG FORMS WERE CREATED AS A
RESPONSE TO TAE
KWON DO CREATING NEW FORMS (THE TKD PEOPLE WENT
THROUGH
THIS TWICE ALREADY). YOUR YUK RO FORMS
WERE MADE UP FROM A LIMITED NUMBER OF
MOVEMENTS
IN THE KWON BUP PORTION OF THE MOO YE DOBO TONG JI.
AND THE
PATTERN THEY USE IS ALL WRONG. THEY HAVE
TOLD YOU THEY WERE DESIGNED USING
THE PRINCIPLES OF
SHIP SAM SOI. THIS IS A COVER UP. THEY SIMPLY
PATTERNED
THEM AFTER THE PATTERNS OF EXISTING JAPANESE KATA,
BUT USED THE
KUNG FU MOVEMENTS FOUND IN THE MOO
YEI DOBO TONG JI. THERE ARE NO SECRETS.
YOUR TAE GUEK
KWON FORM IS NOTHING MORE THAN YANG STYLE TAI CHI
CHUAN, THE
88 FORM PATTERN, AND ONLY HALF OF THAT
FORM IS TAUGHT. YOUR JANG KWON FORM IS
NOTHING
MORE THAN A BASIC SHAO LIN LONG FIST FORM THAT IS
NOTHING MORE
THAN A COMPILATION OF BASIC
MOVEMENTS FROM THE STYLE PIECED TOGETHER. THE
HWA
SUN FORM IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE FORM IT IS
SUPPOSEDLY BASED UPON. IT
IS NOTHING MORE THAN A
MUTATED FORM OF BASIC KWON BUP IMPOSED UPON
A
JAPANESE FLOOR PATTERN. THERE ARE NO DEEP SOO BAHK
DO SECRETS. YOUR ART
IS NOT 2000 YEARS OLD. MANY
PARTS OF IT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN TAUGHT ARE NO
OLDER
THAN 25 YEARS. THE HWANGS DO NOT WANT YOU TO
BELIEVE YOUR MARTIAL
ART CAN EXIST WITHOUT THEM.
THEY NEVER WANT YOU TO GROW UP AND REALIZE
YOUR
OWN AMERICAN MASTERS HAVE ALREADY TRAINED
LONGER, HARDER AND IN MORE
DEPTH THAN THE
GRANDMASTER DID HIMSELF WHEN HE FORMED THE MOO
DUK KWAN.
THROW THE BUMS OUT. MAKE THEM PROVE
WORTHY OF YOUR DEVOTION. THEY HAVE BECOME
FAT AND
GREEDY ON YOUR DOLLARS. THE FEDERATION IS NOT A
CHURCH. THE HWANGS
DO MAKE MONEY OFF OF YOUR DUES
AND EXAM FEES...BUT THEY DO NOTHING TO EARN
THIS
MONEY. MOST OF YOUR MEMBERS OUTSIDE OF NEW JERSEY
NEVER EVER LEARN
ANYTHING FROM THE HWANGS. MANY
NEVER EVEN MEET THEM OR SEE THEM ASIDE FROM
BOOKS
AND VIDEOS. EVEN THOSE THAT ATTEND SEMINARS BY
H.C.HWANG DO NOT OWE
AN INKLING OF THEIR TALENT,
DEVELOPMENT, SKILL AND CHARACTER TO HIM. YOUR
OWN
AMERICAN INSTRUCTORS GAVE YOU YOUR KNOWLEDGE
AND HELPED YOU TO BUILD
YOUR SKILL. THROW THE BUMS
OUT!!! ONCE AGAIN...THIS MESSAGE WILL BE DELETED
TO
PREVENT YOU FROM FINDING OUT THE TRUTH. COPY THIS
PAGE. PASS THE WORD
ALONG. E-MAIL THIS PAGE TO
EVERYONE YOU CAN TO PREVENT THEM FROM
SILENCING
YOUR VOICE! YOU ARE AMERICANS! ACT LIKE IT!!
Town Cryer
USA -
Monday, May 31, 1999 at 06:04:46 (EDT)
Posted ByAllen Abdul on June 24, 1999 at 21:33:33:
WHO CARES? . . . I DO . . THAT'S WHO. . . AND YOU WILL TOO when you become a
target of abuse and rules violation by a senior Sa Bom, as I have. My question
is; What is the purpose of the Federation's Charter and By-Laws ? It is has been
my experience that these rules are only enforced by the Federation when the
subject matter involves collecting money from it's members.
I know a Sa Bom
( a Charter Member ) who tried to take over my school . . . Changed the name of
my school while I was on vacation in Europe . . . Told a lie to the Federation
HQ to put into action this name change ( which he named after himself ) while I
was still in Europe . . . Fabricated a Fraudulent Corporate Document, Complete
with a Forgery of my Wife's Signature while we were still in Europe. .
.
Stole Money from my school's bank account. . . Attempted to take over
ownership of my school with the use of attorneys,( based on the fact that the
school was then named after him. . . Successfully took over my school's
tournament (which carried his name attached to my school) by making the local
Moo Duk Kwan membership believe it was all his by virtue of the fact that it all
carried his name attached to it.
" Oh what a tangled web we weave when first
we practice to . . . . . I guess Ya'll can see what I mean. So you probably
wonder what I did about all of this unacceptable and inappropreate behavier . .
.??? Well I'm Proud to say that I Followed The Rules... I contacted My Sa Bom
Nim Master William Johns and told him all about it. He said to gather evidence
and send it to Master Bartolocci ( my regional examiner ),
and Master Hwang
and they would certinly solve the problem... Master Bartolocci said to gather
evidence and send it to Master Hwang, who would certinly take care of it, and
Master Diaz ( my regional elected board member who is responsable for
representing me ( as a member ) to the board. Master Diaz said to gather
evidence and send it to him and Master Hwang and that I could count on him to
"Follow up on this
issue to its solution".
I did as I was Instructed and I waited... And Waited... And Waited... Until I
could wait no longer, so I asked about progress. I was then assured that Master
Hwang was going to take care of it but he was very busy so I was advised to be
patient and wait a little longer. So I waited... And I Waited... AND I WAITED...
And more than a Year had passed I was told by Master Bartolocci that it is not
the responsability
of the Regional Examiner, so he declined to be involved...
I was told by Master Diaz ( My representative??? ) that Master Bartolocci
suggested to him that this was a business issue and he could also decline to be
involved... Which he did... And I was told by My Sa Bom Nim ( Who now lived in
another region ) Master Johns, that he couldn't do anything because he was no
longer in this region and besides IT'S ALL IN THE PAST NOW . ! ?
As a last resort I called Master Hwang myself and he told me that he HAD NOT EVEN READ THE DOCUMENTS,( WHICH I PERSONALLY PLACED IN HIS HAND ). So I quickly explained the problem ( a short version as he had little time for me ) And he said that he could not be put in a position to Judge what is Right and Wrong. Which brings me back to my original question . . . WHO IS IN CHARGE ? WHO ENFORCES THE RULES ? WHO CARES ? WHO ? ? ?
I even contacted Master Messersmith ( Chairman of the Board ) and he said
that it was not his responsability to get involved in matters of this nature.
But when I looked in the book of Federation Charter and By-Laws under BOARD OF
DIRECTORS ... ARTICLE II (Duties and Responsibilities of Officers), SECTION 2.
(Chairman of the Board) Paragraph "J" and I quote: " Shall establish and
maintain the organizational structure of the Federation
to ensure that all
members adhere to the Federation Charter and By-Laws by using the Board, the
Technical Advisory Committee, and Headquarters' administrative staff."
Other points of interest contained within the Federation Charter and By-Laws
: ARTICLE III ... MEMBERSHIP ... SECTION 5 ... And I Quote : " On the basis of
Charter violations, conduct unbecoming of a Federation member or violations of
the Letter of Understanding: a:) the Board, in conjunction with the T.A.C., with
the Presidents approval, shall have the right to deny of revoke individual
mambership. And. b:) the T.A.C. with
the Presidents approval shall have the
right to deny or revoke Instructor or Studio membership. But... Who is in Charge
... Who Enforces the Rules ... Who Cares ? Master Hwang heads up the T.A.C. and
he won't look at the proof. Master Messersmith heads up the Board and he
ceclines to get involved. And, I'm sure nobody has even informed the President,
so how can he possibly give his approval on a matter in which he remains
uninformed ? ?
WHO IS IN CHARGE ? ? ? WHO ENFORCES THE RULES ? ? ? WHO CARES ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
THIS IS ONLY A SMALL PART OF THE STORY, BUT YOU NOW HAVE MY E-MAIL ADDRESS: IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE OR IF YOU ARE A MEMBER WHO CARES ABOUT THE FEDERATION AS I DO... OR IF YOU HAVE HORROR STORY WHICH YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE ... WE SHOULD TALK .
WE ALL MUST REMEMBER ONE THING ... THIS IS OUR FEDERATION. THE FEDERATION EXISTS BY IT'S MEMBERS, FOR IT'S MEMBERS, AND IS MADE UP OF IT'S MEMBERS. IT DOES NOT EXIST WITHOUT IT'S MEMBERS. TAKE ACTION ! ESPECIALLY WHERE OUR LEADERSHIP FAILS US ... WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT ... FOR OURSELVES AND FOR GRANDMASTER. I BELIEVE WE OWE IT TO GRANDMASTER FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR US. THINK ABOUT IT ! SOO BAHK !
Posted ByAllen Abdul on June 27, 1999 at 21:42:53:
: : Sir:
: : With respect, after the Federation was provided a chance to settle this internally, and it appears from this posting (pardon me if I overlooked anything) that it wasn't, what did the police and county prosecutors say after the evidence was provided? I assume you went to the police next? These are serious charges.
: If there is indeed enough evidence to warrant getting the police
involved, you might want to try going to the "chain of command" again, but this
time with the point of view of "I'd like to get this settled internally, but if
I can't, I shall have to take it to the police." This may better convey the
magnitude of the problem and the urgency of the need for a solution. When
someone is handling many complaints or problems, it is often a matter of the
wheel squeaking the loudest getting the grease, simply because it is heard above
the din.
In all fairness to this regiions Ko Dan Ja, they all did advise me to seek
legal action. I now believe that they suspected nothing would be done internally
and they really didn't want to get involved.
However, the police said it was
a civil matter and suggested that I contact an attorney. After it became clear
that the regional and national Federation leadership was simply going to allow
this kind of behavier to go unaddressed, I did look for an attorney.
I soon
discovered that I had been too kind for too long and the statute of limitations
had just ran out . . . And . . . The Federation has promoted this person to Yuk
Dan and Master Hwang has appointed him Regional Examiner . ? ! * ? - - ? ? ?
Which brings me back to the question . . . Who is in Charge ? ? ? Who Enforces the Rules ? ? ? Who Cares ? ? ? Besides You and I . . . Thanks for your Interest .
The point is . . . The fist on The Moo Duk Kwan Flag standw for JUSTICE,
HONOR AND UNITY BERING STRENGTH . Where is that principal supported in our
Federation, when Injustice like this goes unaddressed.
Aren't we supposed to
be learning proper "Moo Do Behavier" from our seniors ? Our Ko Dan Ja ? Our
Leaders ?
Is this the example we are supposed to follow ? Is this the kind of
leadership we are prepared to simply accept, as Moo Duk Kwan Members who care
about the Federation and our fellow members ?
MISSION 2000 is about World
Peace. The United States Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan has been charged with the duty
to set the example for the rest of the world. Can this kind of ledership advance
that goal ? Can the Federation allow internal conflict to simply go unaddressed
? How can our Federation expect to set an example for the rest of the world to
follow, when it makes no effort to seek the path of justice to solve internal
conflict.
My Moo Duk Kwan experience of the last 2 1/2 years has not been one which I
would ever care to repeat. I have considered quitting but that would be too easy
and irresponsible. Grandmaster has given us this gift of The Soo Bahd Do Moo Duk
Kwan Federation. He has intrusted all members with the responsibility of doing
what we are supposed to do, even when we don't want to. He has given us
guidelines to follow, clearly documented in The Ten Articles of Faith and The
Eight Key Concepts, The Membership Code of Conduct, The Charter and By-Laws. I
thought it was simple. All we must do is follow Grandmaster's guidelines. It is
as Simple as that . . . Isn't It ? ? ?
I believe our membership grants us
certin rights and privileges, all of which is clearly defined in the
Federation's Charter nad By-Laws. Perhaps I'm wrong . . . It wouldn't be the
first time, thats for sure. What do you think ?
1. Don't we have the right to
expect to be treated fairly by the Federation Leadership and in fact all Ko Dan
Ja Members ? . . . I have not been.
2. Don't we have the right to expect the
rules, ( The Ten Articles of Faith, The Eight Key Concepts, The Membership Code
of Conduct, The Federation Charter and By-Laws ), to be applied equally to all
members as well as Ko Dan Ja and even me ? . . . They have not been.
3. Don't
we have the right to representation by the elected board member of our region ?
. . . I was not represented to the board in my issues of concern, even after I
filed a formal request and complied with all requests for documentation and
evidence.
4. Don't we have the right to expect Honor and Justice from the
Federation as represented in the Moo Duk Kwan Flag which we stant before each
day ? . . . My plea for Justice has been ignored by the Federation Leadership
for more than two years.
5. Don't we have the right to expect the Federation
to Support the Principals of "Moo" and to "Take Action" to "Stop This Conflict"
that this person has levied upon me ? . . . After all this time and all the
evidence of misconduct presented to the Regional Examiner, the Elected Regional
Board Member, and Master Hwang, the conflict remains unaddressed.
6.
Shouldn't we expect Federation Ko Dan Ja and Board Members to "Sacrifice for
Justice with Capability and Bravery" ? . . . "To Move to Action With Sureness
and Hope" ? . . . "To Learn The Truth Through The Practice of Duty and Loyalty"?
. . . "To be able to Distinguish Between Good Nd Bad With Fairness and
Rightfullness"? (Sounds like Justice ... Doesn't it?) . . . The Truth, in the
form of Documented Proof has been in Master Hwang's possession for more than 17
months. Master Hwang has not chosen to read it. The Truth in the form of
Documented Proof has been in the possession of My Sa Bom Nim, My Region's
Elected Board Member and Regional Examiner for 2 years. So far I have seen
nothing to indicate that anyone has even made the slightest attempt at "Justice"
. . . And certinly no one has bothered to "Take Action".
NOTE : Some areas of relevance to consider might be . . . . . . .
CHARTER ... ARTICLE I ... SECTION 3 ... "In living according to these
purposes, members accept the principles of the founder of Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk
Kwan, Grandmaster Hwang Kee"... Paragraph F. "Members shall seek the truth, Work
at developing their higest moral cahrter, Strive for humility, Sacrifice
themselves for justice and Contribute by example..." . . .
ARTICLE II ...
SECTION 3 ... "The By-Laws shall provide for suspension or expulsion of member
in case of their failure to comply with any of the conditions of membership".
If there are any Federation Board Members who read this message :
At this
time, I Formally, Publicly and Respectfully request "ACTION" by the Board of
Directors with consideration of the following "ARTICLES" .......
BY-LAWS ...
ARTICLE I ... SECTION 11-B ... "A Director should elevate grievances
communicated by any members to the board meetings".
ARTICLE I ... SECTION
11-E ... "A Director shall conduct himself \ herself in accordance with the
principles and Philosophy of Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan".
At this time, I
Formally, Publicly and Respectfully request that the President be Formally
Informed about this issue, to afford him the opportunity to Exercise His Options
as outlined in
BY-LAWS ... ARTICLE II ... SECTION 1-F ... "The President may
advise the Board of individuals, not carrying out their responsibilities or who
are not spiritually or philosophically suited for membership".
At this time,
I Formally, Publicly, and Respectfylly request Enforcement of the Federation
Charter and By-Laws. I believe this to be the responsibility of the Chairman of
the Board of Directors a written in . . .
BY-LAWS ... ARTICLE II ... SECTION
2-J ... "The Chairman of the Board shall establish and maintain the
organizational structure fo the Federation to Ensure that All Members Adhere to
the Federation Charter and By-Laws by using the Board, T.A.C., and Headquarters
Administrative Staff".
I suggest to all who read this message, that
Peace is not merely the Absents of Conflict, But the Presence of Justice . Soo
Bahk ! ! ! Allen Abdul . . . doubleaa@acninc.net
Posted ByGeorge Papabeis on June 30, 1999 at 11:11:42:
Dear Mr Abdul,
I hope this finds you in good health and spirits.
I am saddened to see that you are still pursuing a path that leads to your
unhappiness. I wish that you would have called and spoken to me before you chose
to burn your bridges behind you. Because that is exactly what you have done. You
have impuned the characters of Sa Bom Nims Pryor, Diaz, Bartollacci, Johns and
the TAC chairman Sa Bom Nim H.C. Hwang. I think by your own actions you have
cast the
die against yourself.
I really don't see what you hope to
accomplish by this thread, I see no warriors action or thought.
As you know I
have been on my own since I was fourteen, you and I came up from the school of
hard knocks. We had that in common and that was one of our binding factors as
friends. I watched as you
became close with my instructor, Master Pryor.
Didn't he extend himself in your direction? Didn't he take a personal interest
in your well being? Where do you think the money came from for the generator I
brought down to you after hurricane Andrew? Master Pryor has always giving of
himself. He has pulled my fat out of the fire on numerous occasions, above and
beyond the call... He has been more of a father to me than my biological. I know
personally that he has done the same for you.
By your own admission you made a mistake when you turned down his offer to
buy you out of the school. He had built it up to a viable bussiness and left you
to run it. Its not your fault that you are a not a bussinesman. But truth be
told you ran it into the ground.He came back, built it back up and then offered
to buy your minority shares (and keep you on as a salaried instructor) at a very
good price,
but you took bad advice from someone outside of the bussiness,
and argued price! What the devil were you trying to prove? You turned down a
$40,000 buy out, and a $500 a week job because you wanted to prove to how you
were a tough bussinessman? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Master
Pryor then purchased another school from another style and "converted" them to
the Moo Duk Kwan. How often does that happen! You on the other hand had to close
your school. Your stupid "bussiness advisor" is who you should be mad at. You
don't have the bussiness skills to run a school, and to be honest with you, I
don't know if I do. I had to close my school and declare personal bankruptcy to
protect myself, a very unpleasant thing. So I understand how you feel. But you
and I both had Master Pryors guidance. You even had Dans in your school to
assist you in teaching, I had no such luxury. When I went to Nationals in
Orlando I had scores of parents from your school pulling me aside complaining
that the Dojang was dirty, that you locked yourself in the office and had
teenagers teach your classes, there were other complaints that i'll leave off
this posting. I was asked if I could move back to Ft. Lauderdale and straighten
things out! I was shocked. When I tried to explain to you what was going on, you
complained about how no one was "helping" you. Remember my response? "You are in
charge, no one can do it for you, assume responsbility for your own actions".
You just neglected your own back yard and weeds grew in it. Master Pryor gave
you direction but you decided your way was better. He gave you a school with 180
students when he left to move to Hawaii. How many did you have when he came
back? Honestly, do you even know? When I called you and asked you what your
numbers where, you could never tell me. You couldn't even tell me what your bank
balance was. Your basics weren't there. At least I knew when I was in trouble,
when it was time for "Hu Jin motion". If you think i'm harsh believe me i'm
holding back.
I watched as you became more and more disgruntled with Master Pryor, focusing
your disappointments on him. It is difficult to see our own mistakes, thats why
we have instructors. I tried as friend to gently show you off the rocky path but
your internal dialog kept getting in the way.
You had a answer for everything
and refused to quit "clinging to your crap". So I distanced my self from you a
bit. For this I apologize. Perhaps I should have hung in there with you for
longer. But I now suspect that I wasn't the only one..., Masters Bartolacci,
Diaz? What about Sa Bom Hwang? Do you realize you called him a liar? In print?
This is not good. Don't blame others for your mistakes. Recognize once and for
all what your self destructing patterns are. By the way Master Pryor pointed
those out to you that night in Orlando, I was there remember? I have watched as
Masters Diaz & Bartollaci (and Sa Bom Hwang) did the same repeatedly for
you, but you missed it!
So to recap; Master Pryor gave you a chance that no one else would have,
offered to bail you out when you screwed it up. When Master Pryor left you to
your own devices you blamed him for your failure. You complained to everyone
within earshot and made yourself look stupid (trust me). Your seniors saw your
nonsense for what it was, and refused to respond to it. So you choose to blame
them.
It's sad to see your inability to correct yourself.
I hope in closing that you find peace within yourself,
Your friend,
George Papabeis
PS Be careful of "anonymous", Ullysess said his name was "no-one" before he
poked the giants eye
out.
Wake Up George
Posted ByAllen Abdul on July 01, 1999 at 15:39:25:
Hello George,
I hope this letter finds you in good health and spirits as well.
Don't be sad George... The fact is you still remain, (by your own choice), completely uninformed... About all of these things which you think you know so well. Allow me to make a few corrections... All of which is totally documented and easy to prove to anyone who wishes to know the truth, rather than drawing conclusions from hear-say and speculation, as you have done. My current path leads me to the greatest happiness I have ever known. It was your choice to distance yourself from the true facts and my life so how could you possibly know. Please don't be concerned about my happiness... You see my lovely wife, of 4 1\2 wonderful years, Anna, just gave birth to my son 2 weeks ago on June 17. Axel Mikael Abdul weighed in at 6lbs. 11 oz. and 19 inches long. My grandson, Austin, now 4 1\2, is very pleased with his new little uncle and my lovely daughter Nicole, is simply delighted with her new little brother. You see my friend... Life doesn't get any better than this. How about you George ??? I know you too have a lovely daughter... How is Gina??? She was always one of my very favorite students and I miss her very much... Please give her my best wishes. And how is your family life??? Last time I spoke to you it was problems with women and the bankrupt business. My advise to you my friend is to stay focused on Gina... I'm sure you'll agree she has always been the best thing in your life and your greatest acomplishment. Things will get better... You'll see!!! Hang in there buddy !!!
Master Johns, my instructor, called me on June 29, and we spoke at length, about 1 1\2 hours. Of course he is well informed on the entire problem... You see, He chose to investigate the facts before drawing his conclusions. He actually read the evidence and spoke to all parties involved, so unlike you, he can speak from a well informed point of view. Master Johns told me himself that he agrees with me on my conclusions of misconduct and Charter and By-Laws violations. He said he was presented with a copy of my message (WHO'S IN CHARGE... WHO ENFORCES THE RULES... WHO CARES), at a meeting with Master Hwang and Master Hanke on Friday June 25, at summer camp. He said that when they asked him what he thought... He told them, among other things, that it was truthful and acurate. On a more personal note... Master Johns commended me on my effort and he said, and I quote... "Allen, eventually you may go down in Moo Duk Kwan History as the "Anita Hill" of the Federation, who was willing to "Sacrific Yourself For Justice" in an effort to follow the rules as written in the Federation Charter and By-Laws". Of course, you must remember, He knows the facts... The same facts I offered to show you more than 2 years ago. Frankly George, I'm sure you can see why I have to go with his conclusions instead of yours. Now George... If my instructor is supportive of my efforts, with full knowlege of the facts, why should you be so offended ? And... Of course you are certinly welcome to talk to him any time you want. He has always been happy to help educate his Moo Duk Kwan Hu Bae whenever the need becomes aparent.
I did not seek to "burn bridges" nor did I "impune the character of any Sa
Bom Nims".(As you suggested). I am not a "Yes Man"... When I feel something is
wrong with my country... I speak out about it and exercise my right to vote at
every election... And my friend... I encourage others to do the same. The same
holds true for the Federation... When I feel something is wrong with the
Federation... I speak out about it as well... I exercise my right to vote and I
encourage others to do the same. I do not distort the facts, suger coat the
situation, or hide the truth from anyone. The simple fact is... the officers and
indeed the leadership of the Federation have chosen to put themselves in the
situation they are in... A Political Situation... Which makes them accountable
for their actions and lack of action associated with respect to the duties and
responsablities of their office. Every educated person in America knows this
about politics. It's nothing personal... It's part of the job. I'm sure that
these people knew this when they took on the job... After all George... There
must be more to a leadership role than just getting all ones expenses paid for
every time one attends an event. But since you are concerned about my personal
opinion of Master Hwang, Master Bartolocci and Master Diaz... I'll tell you ...
I think they are among the finest people I have ever had the pleasure to have
known. Their technical ability is second to none... and I think they have been
fine leaders and I think they serve the Federation in the way they think is best
for the Federation... But... These officers are Human... Yes I know that fact is
very hard for some people to accept... But alas, It's True... Just ask them...
I'm sure they will admit it... And, All Humans Make Mistakes... Yes...Yes, even
them. I know it's hard for you to take... So just sit back and try to take it
all in a little at a time... It's not that bad... Even they have learned to live
with it... "Trust Me" as you say.
My message was not a personal attack on any
individual, as you personally attacked me, My Friend... It was, however, a wake
up call to Federation members, to Take Action and do what is right... To follow
the rules as they are written, and get involved. Grandmaster didn't want us to
simply follow along like mindless, blind sheep. Wake up ! ! ! Why do you think
he gave us a right to vote and speak out in this Federation. All Members should
read and know well the Federation Charter and By-Laws... I do. Perhaps you
should too, George... And, "Learn the Truth" and get your facts straight before
posting your next message... It's all still available to you... If you only
elect to see... Remember, " There are non so blind as those who refuse to see".
About the generator... Well George... Remember, You took it to Master Miley
Yourself... Ask him to refresh you memory... He will tell you the truth, I'm
sure. I was without electricity for more than a month after the hurricane. And
even though I was a Hurricane victom myself, I spent more than 3 months
rendering aid to others... I even got an award for it... Again get your facts
straight, George.
You are right about one thing... Your instructor offered to
buy me out... This is True... But George... Get serious... Just because I chose
not to sell my business... Do you really believe the proposed buyer has the
right to distroy me and break the Federations rules just because I wouldn't sell
to him ??? George... George... George... WAKE UP ! ! ! ! !
By the way, George... Since you are so concerned with my business at this time... You may be pleased to know that I didn't go bankrupt as you did... My rent in that shopping center was pushed up to over $4000.00 per month, for that little space... It was simply not cost effective to remain there any longer... My karate program is now sponsered by the City of Plantation, where I operate out of a City Facility, and I was awarded this honor with the full recomendation of the City of Plantation's City Council. Soo Bahk !
And one more thing George... I never called Master Hwang a lier in print... I have reread my message throughly, and I stand behind every word as accurate and truthful. Master Hwang, is in fact a very honest and honorable man... Much more so than you, my friend... But ... He is also a very busy man... And he can't do everything by himself to keep things right in the Federation... The rest of us need to "Take Action" as well... Take Off The Blinders... Get involved... Lets use the rules that Grandmaster gave to us... Support the Federation Charter and By-Laws... The Ten Articles of Faith, The Eight Key Concepts and The Membership Code of Conduct... Do The Right Thing... "Sacrifice to Fulfill You Duty to You Country and Your People"... "Hold Together With Cooperation and Concord"... "Protece the Rights of the Weak with Courtesy and Modesty"... "Learn the Truth Through the Practice of Duty, Loyalty and Affection"... "Be Able To Distinguish Between Good and Bad With Fairness and Rightfulness"... "Sacrifice Yourself for Justice with capability and bravery"... And when you are aware of all the facts and considered them carefully... "Move to Action With Sureness and With Hope"... As I Have Done.
In closing, George, I hope you can one day find the kind of Peace and Harmony in your life as I enjoy in my family and my life.
Your Friend,
Allen Abdul
Posted ByCharles Ferraro on July 03, 1999 at 22:20:21:
Hello members of the Moo Duk Kwan: I have read all the post regarding the
issue of Master Pryor and Mr. Allen Abdul. I see many correct stances and
positions taken by many people. But I must admit I also see much posturing and
political juxipositioning as well. This is not a new problem for Moo Duk Kwan or
for Master Pryor. Now before everyone jumps all over this, just remember "where
there is smoke there is fire", (probably said by every parent in the USA). Many
of you remember the infamous court case of Rick Randall and Master Pryor. In
case many of you are not aware the public record of which I was sent a copy of
years ago by Master Frederick Scott via Rick Randall himself showed the courts
decided against Master Pryor and in favor of Mr. Rick Randall. It is not a
forgone conclusion then that Mr. Abduls assertions are baseless. One cannot
assume because on is junior that he is always wrong. This is not true Moo Do.
Additionally why can't Mr. Abdul use the legal system within the Moo Duk Kwan as
set into place by the charter and by-laws to settle his grievances against his
senior? Why can't he voice his regrets and disappointments in the system on an
independent public format like the Warrior-Scholar web page. I am allowed to do
exactly that and I'm no longer a member of MDK. Region 4 has come a long way
since I was a member and you all should continue to strive to improve
relationships within your region. You must do so in an atmosphere of equality
and one that is consistent with the constitution of the United States of which
the MDK is a chartered corporation of. This would include such things as
"freedom of speech", "right to be heard without fear of repercussion", "ones
right to protect his property", "Action, Action, Action!" Seniors taking
advantage of juniors just because they can and they have the support of the most
voices can be a frustrating thing and in another setting,
(such as the job
place) could be construed to be similiar to harrassment. To be truthful I really
never agreed with MDK practioners sueing each other. I think it is bad for the
morale. I don't think it is consistent with KJN Hwang Kee's mission 2000, which
seems to be relegated to cop out by many MDK practitioner anyway. Wow! did he
really say that...well I think I have enough experience to get away with that
one as it wouldn't be to anyone's advantage for me to dig up all my old
grievances. It suffices to say that anyone can intellectualize the Grandmaster's
policies and goals but to actually put them in practice is yet another matter.
Phrases like "mission 2000", "Moo Do Shim Gung", "Moo Do Chun Shin" become the
convenient admonishment of judgemental individuals who would substitute the
condemnation of one of their own in place of unselfish love, caring, kindness,
giving, harmlessness, and compassion. I really believe before we place judgement
on another we really need to walk in their shoes. I don't really know if Mr.
Abdul is correct in his claims. I don't know if Master Pryor has been
wronged...I do believe that an individual who is a dues paying member of an
organization has a right to ask, expect and yes if necessary even demand
recourse for actions taken against him by other members of the oganization. This
is especially true if those infractions are believed to be violations of the
charter and by-laws of the organization pledged to serve both and especially it
the other member is the senior end of a junior-senior relationship. Resolution
is imperative for the future integrity of all such relationships. From an
outsiders point of view this whole issue seems to be isolated to region 4. It is
as if it doesn't affect anyone else in the country. I say it undermines the
integrity of the entire organization. The name calling is immature at best and
not befitting of the lofty ideals that the MDK purports to stand for. I know
many will probably relegate my comments to the fact that I am no longer
involved with the MDK. If that is what you want to believe that is of course
everyone reading this post perogative. On the other hand, if you look closely
you will see the hand of truth in what I have said, judgement may still be your
answer but I say spend as much energy in resolution, compassion and
understanding and you may yet prevent another defection. Who knows if that
approach had been used in the past how many Moo Duk Kwan practitioners would
still be members of your federation.
Warmly and with respect, Charles
Ferraro, Dan #19986.
From: John Hancock
Email:
Date: 21 Apr
2000
Time: 15:38:08
But...I do have some info. As for this 'new?' organization, KTMS, I didn't know about them until Bernard's post. But...I've sort of taken myself out of the loop lately. My guess is...the web site was done by a student...and the student just copy/paste things he found. Ergo...why they are using the new SBD symbol. My opinion? Needs to be taken off. It DOES give the wrong impression. And it is a copyrighted symbol. Sounds to me like a TKD MDK guy just decided to flip back to calling himself TSD...and I would imagine because of the change by SBD hoi to formally calling the art SBD MDK instead of TSD MDK. NOw...as to the ability to trademark SBD....there is a fly in that ointment that can be challenged. It is the Ji Do Kwan. If they indeed are members of the SBD Hoi...then they too could be calling what they teach SBD. The problem this creates is that you have now made SBD a generic name for use by the general public. That means you can't secure a trademark to it. Same thing happenned to Coke Cola. Now we all know the difference between Pepsi and Coke. BUt we all know that everyone refers to sodas as cokes too! Coke tried to stop the use of the word coke...but it had already entered the mainstream. They also wanted to control the use of the word Cola...but that too had become public domain. So...if you use the word coke...or cola seperately....you are safe....but you can't use the words Coke Cola together...ever. They own that combination and it distinctly identifies them and their product. So...for SBD....is issue is.....just how generic is the use of the term. My opinion? Not generic enough. I think the MDK under SBD hoi has the rights to it...and I'd recommend everyone else just drop it and let it go. It just ain't worth the fight. ME? I still call my art Tang Soo Do....and my School is Mi Yong Kwan. It's MINE! You can't have it! Not that any of you would want it anyway. OK...lets do the Hwang Kee in the U.S. angle. Over the years, many times Hwang Kee was encouraged to move permanently to the U.S. I guess the strongest push to do that was back in the mid-70's when the MDK was having so much trouble with the Korean Government. It would have been a smart move as HERE the SBD hoi could have operated without interferance of any kind. We are the strongest nation in the study of Tang Soo Do. I'd venture to say...if you took ALL TSD practitioners combined....the U.S. has more TSD than anyone...including Korea itself. But...Hwang Kee didn't move...wouldn't move. He was determined to live in Korea (he just never had a desire to leave Korea for anything other than a trip. Well...that was his choice (probably wasn't a good financial decision...but still his choice. WHo am I to criticize that. Heck! I won't leave Kentucky! Go figure!?! LOL). There was talk of moving headquarters here after his son came to live in the U.S.....but it never happenned. I can tell you this......it WILL most likely happen....after the funneral. I don't see Hwang Hyun Chul relocating to Seoul after spending so much time here and his kids growing up here. If he does...no great loss. As for the arguments of the 'SELF PROMOTING'. I have to stick out my tongue at that one. You people seem to forget....Hwang Kee himself PROMOTED HIMSELF. He had no where near the education and experience the Asian community would accept as being sufficient to open a NEW school of martial arts WHEN he DID do it! He got lucky. If he'd been born in China....someone might have killed him...or he would have been publiclly humiliated in the least. In Japan....someone would have killed him. Of that...I'm pretty sure. The Japanese can be pretty anal about such things. Now on Okinawa....they'd watch him and if he was any good ...they'd take him for a drink...and if he wasn't....they'd laugh at him...and take him for a drink. Okinawan's don't get upset about too much. They are sort of used to braggards (that whole Japanese domination thing sort of gave them a special out look on life. Remember...Okinawa was considered the bung hole of the Japanese Empire. Samurai being sent there...was a form of punishment to the Samurai. The Okinawans learned early on....play stupid around the Japanese...their haughtiness will lead to their downfall in time. Sort of like here in the U.S. where southerner's just move a little slower than northerners....and we southern folk get a chuckle at how northern folk stress over things. So we sort of plod off and leave them infuriated by our NOT getting excited.
Ah...but I have digress now. Back to topic.
Self Promotion. I decided to make a break. I changed the symbols I use...and the name. OK....if you are going to break...break. You need to be your own person and not a copy of someone else. That is my belief. I've had 22 years in the study of Martial Arts...and not just TSD...so I THINK that qualifies me to my view and choices. BUt I did and didn't promote myself. WHen my student's ask....I tell them I got as high as 4th Dan in Tang Soo Do before I broke away (OK...it wasn't your Soo Bahk Do hoi...there I'm only recognized as a chodan..but none the less...Hwang Kee is not recognized by the Yang Family as a Master of anything. Think about that! My assoicates in the MA community tell me...er...tease me...about being a 10th Dan now...a Kwan Jang. And yes...I do sign our certificates as the Kwang Jang of the Mi Yong Kwan. But I don't put 10th Dan anywhere on my paperwork or certificates (in fact...if you check the Hangul I usually sign by my name...it say's I'm a 4th Dan. I probably will get off my dead ass one day and take my 5th Dan through the National TSD Alliance (Dont' start...I don't want to hear it), but I just haven't gotten around to it. I'm a little busy etching out an existence...OK?!! The point is.....according to the accepted ettiquette....anyone founding a school is technically automatically the 10th Dan of that school. Charles Ferrarro is the Kwan Jang Nim of the Mi Guk Kwan, SHin Jae Chul is the Kwan Jang Nim of the World TSD Assoc (they have always confused me....as they never chose a Kwan name...none they have entitlement too...as the MOO DUK KWAN definitely belongs to Hwang Kee). Chuck Norris is Kwan Jang Nim of the CHun Kuk Kwan (I think that is what they call it)...and Kim Jae Joon...well...Mr. Kim really needs to stop calling themselves Moo Duk Kwan...but that is a dog fight for you U.S. SBDMDK folk. I have lots of friends in Kim's organization. I tell them...they really shouldn't use the name Moo DUk Kwan because it is a trademark...and they ignore me. Like I said in the beginning....I personally don't have a dog in that fight.
You folk hate me I know. No...don't lie about it. I know my name is said..followed by a good spit. But I also know you respect me because I AM TRUE TO MY WORDS. I don't straddle a fence...and I'm not afraid to stand on my positions...win or lose. Hmmmmm...seems me and Hwang Kee have something in common after all. Think about that too! I think sometimes you guys wrongly accuse me of defiling and attacking Hwang Kee. The problem is....I don't see him as having accomplished anything that I can't accomplish myself. OK...so I don't have a major international organization of thousands of followers. Doesn't change my view point though. You see...you guys in SBD respect and revere Mr. Hwang SOOOOO highly....it borders on worship. You have very nearly deified him. OK...I can understand why you have done that (mostly because you have been taught to) but it does skew your viewpoints. None of you would dare to say "I'm as good as Hwang Kee." To do so would cause massive guilt and fear responses inside yourself. Because it is almost like saying, "I'm as good a God." But for me....I know that I am a part of God...God is a part of me. God is within me....and I live in the body of God....therefore...GOd and I am inseperable.....ergo...I am a manifestation of God himself. Bold statement eh? Don't attack it...I'm just using it to illustrate a point not draw anyone into a religious debate. The point is....I don't see Hwang Kee as anything more than a fortunate man who had talent and used it. His story is interesting to me...but nothing in his story places him in a category outside of my abilities. Ergo...for me...he is like some distant uncle that I have a respect for....bu no where near the level of devotion you guys have. So don't get so ticked off when I don't see how terrible and horrible and blasphemous my comments and analysis are. They only appear that way to YOU because of your placement of yourself subordinate to Mr. Hwang. I see myself as on his level.....and that causes my view to be different. Are you starting to understand now?
I image I will get my usual ton of hate mail over this posting. But ya know what.......I accept that as part of being bold enough to not just see my potential...but knowing I have every right to sit at the BIG TABLE and break break with the BIG PEOPLE. If you don't think you should be there....it is because you see yourself as subordinate. If you don't think I should be there...it is because of envy. Now now now. That is the truth. If I vacate the seat...it would be a seat available to you....only....you have to overcome the guilt feelings first or you can't comfortably sit there. I got a tip for you though. If you overcome the guilt.....you won't need to feel envy....we'll slide over and pull up a chair just for you. Think about that.
John Hancock
Copyright©1994
Beginning your study, you must have an appreciable skill with the kicho sool, or foundation technique; the basics. Without this stone to build on, your temple (that is, your art) will not stand.
Next you must change how you perceive the technique. In Tang Soo Do we speak of many techniques as being mahk ki, which we often call a 'block'. While mahk ki does translated as 'to block or deflect', there are other translations that are not often explored which shed a different light on a differing paradigm. Mahk (or mok) refers to the area of the body we associate as being the wrist. Ki (or Kee) simply means 'technique'. So, mahk ki actually refers to any number of techniques involving the 'wrist area' of the body.
With this understanding, we can now change our perception of the technique from being a 'block' (i.e. defensive) to a 'strike' (i.e. offensive). In truth, all techniques we refer to as 'blocks' are in reality strikes. They are mearly defensive stikes even when applied only to an opponent's arm.
The question must arise, "If the block is the strike, then where is the defense against the attack?" Once you begin to view your body as a complementary whole instead of as parts (i.e., right arm, left arm, head, etc.), the defense becomes apparent in the prepatory motion of any technique. It is in the act of chambering that we defend. This defense may include our body shift (evading), our stance (posture), and our chamber (the true block).
During the prepatory motion (i.e., the chamber), we close to protect our vital organs. In the process of protecting vulnerable areas, we also perform defensive motion, the block. For example, by lowering one arm across the body and raising the other to protect the face, we create an Um/Yang chamber. As we complete the technique's motion, we execute the offensive motion - the strike. This change in our perspective allows us to block and strike as one motion.
It is of interest to note here that often we are instructed to inhale while defending and exhale while attacking. Once one begins to take notice of a technique's total properties, it becomes apparent that when we close to defend during the chamber,we also instinctively inhale. As we expand and move out to complete the technique, we exhale as we strike. In performing in this manner, we not only find the technique enhanced, but we find our body motion is harmonized naturally.
Additionally, when one closely examines the paths that limbs in motion follow, an eliptical arc can be discerned. To prove this, stand with both arms hanging relaxed at your sides. Begin slowly rotatating from side to side. Remember to keep your arms totally relaxed. After a few rotations,you should begin to notice that your arm will cross low in front of your body, and as you rotate back in the opposite direction, the hand will have a tendency to want to rise, performing an arc as it crosses back in front of you. Observing the hand, you should note that the path it traces is an ellipse. You may initially have difficulty perceiving this, but if each change in direction is driven by a strong waist action, it will become clear.
Our expertise in application of technique is refined by our understanding of physics, body motion, and universal principles:
PHYSICS1. Gravity pulls down.
2. Inertia applies: a
body in motion tends to stay in motion.
3. Angular changes in motion require
greater expense of energy than gradual changes in vector (i.e., a circular
motion is most economical in accelorating/decelorating between any two points
not already on a common plane. This is especially true where either one or both
points are bodies already in motion).
BODY MECHANICS1. The body works by rotational
forces.
2. The body instinctively reacts to protect itself.
3. The body
works best where there is a complementary dichotomy of motion (i.e., left goes
out, right comes in).
UNIVERSAL PRINCIPLES1. The universe moves through ellipes
(i.e., oblong circles).
2. Um/Yang applies: the concept of opposite and yet
complementary natures exist as a reality. You must have a "left" to know what a
"right" is. If you want to move something to a "high" position, it must be in a
"low" position to begin (i.e., spatial relativity).
Now, by combining this knowledge and putting it into application, we perform
any technique by knowing it should:
1. Begin by being in a relatively
opposite position than where we want it to end up at.
2. It should move in an
elliptical path so we can gradually increase its speed (i.e., power) up to a
point of impact.
3. It should be coordinated with a complementary but
opposite motion in the body.
4. It should meet its target at an angle and
not straight on.
5. It should take advantage of gravity whenever possible in
assisting in pulling it into the target.
6. It should involve rotational
forces in the body (i.e., the hips or shoulders should move, the forearm shoud
twist or rotate, etc.).
7. Proper breathing should be harmonized to the
technique (breath in as you move in, out as you move out).
The whole effect will be to make the technique appear smooth and circular. Not a lot unlike what we have come to associate as typical of Chinese Kung-Fu or Wu Shu technique. Once these mechanics are grasped,the technique may then be applied as a whole toward defense and offense simultaneously.
The effect of any technique is enhanced by a knowledge of sensitive points of human anatomy. This knowledge and its applications are classified as Keupso Chirigi among Korean martial art practitioners.
Now the technique is changed in perspective so that it may be used not only to strike an attacking limb, but the attacker himself, allowing us to quickly incapacitate and subdue his aggression.
The "Tang" in Tang Soo Do
"Okay! But what makes this the "Tang" in Tang Soo Do?" you are asking. The answer is, "Because all of these principles were known in some form to ancient Chinese martial artists." The Korean people have a history of contact with the Chinese, and this is why it is important to know the history of Korea and its neighbors.
During the Unified Silla Dynasty (618 to 935 a.d.), the Korean people had several occasions to exchange knowledge, to integrate military tactics, and adopt cultural aspects with the Chinese. This same time period coincides with the "Tang" Dynasty (618 to 906 a.d.) in China.
The first forms of Tai Chi Chuan were developed in China during this time period. It was then that scholars of martial arts first formulated and wrote down many of the principles outlined in this article. The Koreans have had an opportunity to access this knowledge and apply it with their own interpretations. The Koreans refer to Tai Chi Chuan as Tae Keuk Kwon. Many of the principles outlined in ancient Chinese treatise for the development of jing ("power"), are the same as utilized by Tang Soo Do practitioners.
Additionally, during the Koryo Dynasty (935 to 1392 a.d.) the Koreans established peaceful relations with China (coinciding with China's Sung Dynasty - 960 to 1279 a.d.), and much of China's culture and knowledge was adopted and adapted into the Korean way.
In China, a great General known as Marshall Yeuh Fei lived and develped several martial art systems to include Hsing I and Eagle Claw Kung-Fu styles. These he taught to the Sung military as required training for every soldier. During the Koryo Dynasty, the Koreans adopted many of these techniques, which were referred to as Kwon Bup, and which were cataloged in the text Moo Ye Dobo Tong Ji. This classic is still studied by Tang Soo Do practitioners today (the Japanese/Okinawan similarity is the Bubishi). Many of the mahk ki of Tang Soo Do have similarities to the Five Form Fists of the Hsing I style.
Tang Soo Do in recent years has been undergoing change. Change is not a bad thing, but if a practitioner, or just an appreciative bystander, wants to really understand this art, it behooves them to strive for as much of an universal investigation as possible. While being able to use Tang Soo Do techniques could be considered the meat and potatoes of the art, it is the deep understanding of the principles, the history, and the cultures from which the art evolves from that is the seasoning that makes Tang Soo Do so palatable.
At the time this article was first written back in 1994, John Hancock was a 4th Dan in Tang Soo Do. Master Hancock invites your comments this this and any article and can be sent via e-mail to: © 1997 4karate@bellsouth.net
From: John Hancock
Email:
Date: 11 Mar
2000
Time: 00:35:59
Due to some corruption in the sites html posting by Mr. Macken...I am posting this as a new thread.
Well, Mr. Macken....you are absolutely....incorrect. Let me just clear up the matter for you (funny how I always seem to have to do that).
My Dan Certificate states:
This is to certify that the above practitioner was awared 1st Dan in the 74th Dan Classing Championship of TANG SOO DO.
It is signed: Korean Soo Bahk Do Association, Moo Duk Kwan, President, Hwang Kee.
This is written in both Hangul and in English on the certificate.
Soooo...as you can see....I was ranked in TANG SOO DO. It does not mention my being ranked in SOO BAHK DO. The overcontrolling organization is named DAE HAN SOO BAHK DO Hoi (translation - Korean Hand Strike Way Association).
As you may know...Soo Bahk Do Hoi was created in the late 1950's in counter jusxtipositon to the Korean Tae Soo Do Federation (Predecessor of the Korean Tae Kwon Do Federation). The "art" of 'Soo Bahk Do' was not even taught in the Moo Duk Kwan dojangs until after the creation of the Chilsung Hyung in the 1970's. As late as the 1980's...those forms were STILL not being taught in the majority of Dojang in Korea, but were introduced first in the U.S. Do your own pondering as to why that was. SO...I didn't train in this "SOO BAHK DO"...I trained and ranked in "TANG SOO DO".
Now...are you done splittin' hairs with me?
Re: Casting Stones
From: John Hancock
Date: 27 Feb 2000
Time:
14:54:41
Unfortunately, TSD is NOT one big happy family. And anyone who tells you so is trying to pull the wool over your eyes. OH...it can seem so if you stay within your own organization and never even try to ask the bigger questions. Usually...by the time someone makes Chodan in one of the many schools or organizaitons...these questions do arise...and it doesn't take long for them to find out out schismed things really are. Many believe we MUST all fall under one grand banner and follow a standard methodology from school to school to be TSD. And the factions draw off in quarters to argue their superiority. I, however, do not believe that. I see infinite combinations in infinite diversity as the true Ryu Pah...and see no need (and realistically so) for any self imposed restrictions or limitations to this diversity. To me....one standard for all schools is like breeding in your own family. It is incestuous and will only weaken the line overall in the long run. No...I believe diversity is the answer. I believe the individual operators of the many schools should set their own curriculum freely and only a general overall outline of things should be held as elemental to being a TSD school. Such things as individual one steps and hoshinsool are pointless restrictions and constructs that limit the diversity and impede true Ryu Pah. The various Masters should have a large enough understanding of the arts as a whole to be able to recognized the talents of any individual and honor their rank from school to school should they move geographically. So what if a Green Belt in this school is as good as a Red Belt in another school or just a Purple Belt in some other ranking system. One should look at Kyu level and determine the appropriate belt. Black Belt skill is Black Belt skill. You either have it ....or you don't....but that is all transitory and I don't see a need for someone who moves across the country to have to RE-LEARN everything according to some other schools methodologies before moving on. This is insane. Does a 10th Grader have to go back to 1st Grade if he/she moves across the country from Maine to Nebraska? No. Of course not. Do colleges require you to start over from scratch if you graduate from a two year college and decide to go onto a university program? NO. That would be rediculous. They are wise enough to evaluate the overall skill and learning of the individual and the program he came from and credit him appropriately. This is why I say the rigid formulas we apply in the various "STANDARDIZATION" organizations are self defeating. Diversity is strength and is NATURES way of improving the species. Adaptation, mutation, evolution. This is natural. Set standardization, one gene pattern repeated over and over is not natural. Those that have gone that course have found their lines dwindling to extinction. Even the most primitive tribes in cannabalistic New Guinea know they must acquire blood 'from outside the tribe' if the tribe is to remain strong (hence why even they will acquire wives from outside their own tribe from time to time...less the gene pool began to dimish and the tribe as a whole began to suffer the effects of inbreeding). Out TSD is no different. How many people in the current Federation have ever contested in an OPEN tournament? How many have ever contested even in the tournament of another TSD organization? Do you have the skills to deal with diversity? DO you think your limited view of the martial arts is sufficient to handle any type of opponent? You would be in for a surprize. Try fighting a skilled jujutsu practioner...and from there go in the ring against a Thai Boxer...and from there take on the callenge of a Kyokushinkai fighter....then bounce over to match skill against an eclectice tournament fighter...then try your hand at dealing with a devote judoka. You will be surprized at the trouble you will will encounter at each match. You will be amazed at the things you will learn from one match to the next which you will carry over. You won't get surprized after awhile. You soon stop worrying about what the opponent can and will do...as you will simply react to whatever comes your way.
Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. Yeah yeah...it is a star trek phrase...but it is true none the less. It is truely TAO...truely the WAY of nature.
Our master organization should never dictate curriculum to the locale dojang. It should merely help establish overall standards of educations....just as modern universities don't dictate specific coursed or course material...but set overall standard levels of education to be concommitant with all other institutes of higher learning. There will always be dojang and teachers who will shine...and those who don't. Stars rise...stars fall. Life goes on...diversity continues to unfold. The dust of truth swirls..and finds its own crack of entry. The one begets the two, the two begets the three..and from the three wet get the ten thousand things. Such is the way of nature and the course we should follow.
All this other garbage is politics....and politics only serve the ego of individuals. How can these so called democratic TSD organizations claim to represent the masses at large when inside they crystalize and disallow diversity. They follow not the way of nature...nor the democratic principal which the hold up as a badge of their righteousness.
What we need is less centralization...and return the power to the local dojang. This..."standardization" ...is the death knell of any organization. Like the tree that becomes rigid...it refused to bow to the wind of nature...and soon finds itself unable to bear fruit and dying. The local dojang must aways be unimpeded to find its own ryu pah. "This, above all other things, to thine own self be true."
From: Charles Ferraro
Date: 05 Feb 2000
Time:
21:23:26
I am a little confused when I read comments regarding the difference between TSD and SBD. Different curriculums do not a different artform make. What I mean to say is that the major difference from one Tang Soo Do style to the next is basically what is considered standardize curriculum. If everytime the curriculum changed the artform becomes different then given the recent changes in the SBD curriculum then it could be said that the SBD of today is a different art from the SBD of 6 months ago. I don't think anyone wants to go there so I say Tang Soo Do, Soo Bahk Do all the same. Teaching style, curriculum, and general philosophy a little different but origin, basics, fundamental principles really the same. Let us try to focus on what we have in common instead of what we have in difference. Not only will it be more positive, uplifting, and fun but it will create many new opportunities for growth for everybody. How many times has a parent learned something worthwhile from their children? I am continually amazed at the post on this board. I really think that since this organization represents the official position of KJN Hwang Kee and is the only recognized and guided organization of KJN Hwang Kee then it should always take the high road. Unity or willingness to admit that the children of the parent have a lot in common as well as, the propensity to see the good in all branches of TSD/SBD can only have a positive effect on the publics view of our artform. Lets continue to stive TOGETHER to improve the relationships between all TSD/SBD members and organizations. I think that is what KJN Hwang Kee had in mind when he proposed his "mission 2000". Maybe "Mission 2001" should be to really try to understand what KJN Hwang Kee had in mind when he said "world peace through improved human relations". Extension is the answer not exclusion. Yours in the spirit of Tang Soo Do/Soo Bahk Do, C. Ferraro
From: D.Segarra
Date: 25 Feb 2000
Time:
02:02:32
Byung Yu. A little insight to Mr. Byung Yu as a person (not a practioner). I was asked to Pick up Mr. Byung Yu at the JFK Holiday in 1995. Needless to say I was excited to meet him. It was arranged (by him) that I would meet him in the lobby of the hotel. I showed up a few minutes early no Byong Yu. I called his room, no answer. I went up to his room knocked, no answer.
I looked around could not find him. ONE MINUTE after I was supposed to pick him up. He and two other Korean gentlemen come out from the bar / seating area (9 AM mind you) into the lobby. Mr. Byong Yu looking very regal with his trench coat over his shoulders. I bow and introduce myself. The first thing out of Mr. Byung Yu's mouth is "your one minute late I should make you do knuckle push-ups" I apologized and explained I thought we were to meet in the lobby (My fault for not having ESP and reading his mind when he decided to wait at the bar). Now I'm thinking, oh… oh… Three men, (He said just himself) now I have a convertible that comfortably can seat three including me not four with luggage.
He snaps his fingers and says take my bags. I was just about ready to say something to politely let him know I was not his servant / slave for the day (I don't mind helping with bags but snapping your fingers in my face is going overboard, but I had to think of who I was representing and stay calm) When one of the other two Korean gentlemen sensed I was getting miffed and snatched up the bag. So out the door we go, and I mentioned to him that he did not explain to me that I had three guests to drive and it might be a little tight with the luggage. He sees the size of my car (brand new convertible mind you) and goes ballistic in Korean. Spouting off all kinds of cute things. Little did he know I could make out a good portion of what he was saying. Basically he said "this is ridiculous I'm not getting in that tiny car, lets call for a limo!" The other two Korean men talked him into getting in my car, he protested then they politely persuaded him, saying how I went through all this trouble and they would be late if they called a limo.
Now for a pleasant one and a half hour trip with the legendary Byung Yu. Well I don't mind telling you, Yu was unpleasant, to say the least. Not one person talked to me the entire one and a half hour drive. My attempts at polite conversation were met by, a one word answer by Mr. Yu and a wise crack in Korean to his buddies in my back seat. They were meeting Master H.C. Hwang to talk about being part of the 50th anniversary celebration in Korea. Master Hwang asked me to bring them to H.Q, I had did so many times in the past for other honored guests and he knew I could handle it. What Byong Yu did not know was I understood a good hunk of what he was saying in Korean on the drive up. Basically he kept expressing his concern with getting involved with the Moo Duk Kwan during the anniversary. It was a rare "opportunity" for him. And that they "had to get involved"
So after an hour and a half of listening to Mr. Bong Yu crack about me and my car in Korean and talk about how he had to get in on the 50th anniversary, our car ride of joy and love came to an end.
After I and the other two Korean Gentlemen unload the baggage. And Mr. Byung Yu puts his trench coat back over his shoulders. I said is there anything else I could help him with he said "NO!" and I said thank you for putting up with my small car and I apologized for not having bigger transportation. He then said "Let me know when you come to my town, I will have someone pick you up on a bicycle" I then figured I would pull the pin on the hand grenade and lob it to him. So I let the cat out of the bag and spoke a little Korean to him, telling him I did not have plans to visit him but thanks for the offer. Well the look of surprise on his face was worth all the abuse I had to put up with. And I still chuckle to this day as he wondered how much of what he said in the car I understood.
After his meeting at H.Q He then did not like the fact that he was only allowed to have a small part of the Moo Duk Kwan's 50th anniversary, instead of being the star of the show. And took his trench coat and went home. Fortunately I did not have to drive him back. Although I would have loved to just to have heard him carefully weigh what he was about to say because he knew I could understand him.
I just goes to show you true masters treat everyone with respect, and people to wrapped up in their egos (or trench coat) don’t.